EPISODE 119 - She Died And Saw Our Future: Near Death Experience with Heather Mae & Ann Theato

In this powerful and deeply moving episode of Psychic Matters, Heather Mae shares her extraordinary Near-Death Experience — one that changed the course of her life forever.

After a sudden medical crisis, Heather found herself pulled through a swirling tunnel of light and into a realm overflowing with unconditional love, intelligence, and presence. In this expanded spiritual state, she encountered a being of light who communicated with her—not through words, but through pure knowing.

What she was shown about humanity, the nature of consciousness, and the future we are walking into is nothing short of breathtaking.

Heather speaks candidly about:
• The moment she realised she had left her physical body
• The overwhelming light that both enveloped and recognised her
• The profound message she received about where humanity is heading
• What she learned about fear, compassion, and why we are here
• The life review that revealed the true impact of seemingly small choices
• The encounter that changed how she sees death — and life
• How this experience now guides her daily choices and spiritual understanding

Heather’s story is a rare, intimate glimpse into what awaits us beyond physical life, offering comfort, inspiration, and a powerful sense of connection to something greater than ourselves.

Whether you are curious about the afterlife, seeking healing, or exploring the edges of human consciousness, this episode is a profound reminder that death is not an ending — it’s a transition into deeper truth.

Tune in, listen with an open heart, and allow Heather’s extraordinary journey to expand your own.

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EPISODE 119

You’ll Learn

• Heather Mae describes the moment her consciousness separated from her body
  —and what she saw, felt, and understood as she entered a different state of awareness.
• How her perception of time and reality changed during her experience
  —including moments that felt expansive, nonlinear, or profoundly clear.
• The powerful encounter she had with a non-human intelligence (ET presence)
  —and how it communicated with her beyond language.
• The message she received about humanity’s future
  —and why she believes she was shown these insights.
• How her near-death state opened a deeper understanding of connection and consciousness
  —and how it reshaped her sense of purpose.
• What returning to her physical body felt like
  —and how difficult it was to integrate what she experienced afterwards.

How this single experience changed the direction of her life
—and why she is now speaking openly about what happened, despite the vulnerability involved.

Transcript

VO: Psychic Matters with Ann Théato. The top ranked spirituality podcast.

Ann: Today on Psychic Matters, you are about to hear one of the most extraordinary near death experiences ever recorded. After suffering nine pulmonary emboli and spending over a month in hospital, Heather Mae flatlined and she crossed into a realm few have ever seen. There she walked through the Crystal City, stood before the towering shelves of the Hall of Records, and entered places of profound healing and light. 

 

She was shown how the human energetic system truly works, how souls prepare for life on earth, and why our connection to one another is the key to healing our world. Heather returned with extraordinary insights and a calling to help others awaken to their true power. And today she's here on Psychic Matters to help you to understand the interconnectedness of all beings, to help you explore your own energy system, and to help you start living with more awareness, more compassion, and more purpose. Heather Mae, welcome to Psychic Matters.  

 

Heather: Thank you so much, Ann for having me and for sending my invitation, it's an absolute honour to, sit and talk with you and to share my experience, with all those who wish to hear it and, uh, maybe obtain something from it that they may find helpful or resonate with. So thank you.  

 

Ann: I'm sure that they will Heather there's so much to cover here in this wonderful conversation we're about to have. I'm very excited. But listen, your story is so remarkable. and the insights that you gained from having your near death experience are really profound. So, before we dive into all that and before we dive into what you encountered on the other side, maybe you could share a little bit with us all about your life leading up to that moment. What were the circumstances that brought you to that pivotal point?  

 

Heather: Yeah, um, absolutely. So, it all started with a car accident, actually. I was the passenger, at the time, my seatbelt wasn't working. I had no seatbelt. we went, the driver who was my boyfriend at the time, and my young daughter was in the back. Of course everything was functioning for her as well, as well for him. He blew a red light going through an intersection at 70k an hour. I don't know what that is in miles. I don't know. But anyways, 

 

Ann: Fast for a red light. 

 

Heather: And, um, I I, I do recall seeing this enormous old vehicle. It looked like it was green and it, it looked like to be one of those big old Cadillacs, you know, that somebody had obviously restored anyways, an absolute tank of a vehicle. And our vehicle was very small. It was very, very small. And so we hit head on. As he also came out of, he was turning, he came out of the intersection with his big vehicle and, crushed us. Basically the whole front end had like an accordion. I didn't have a seatbelt on. I had no idea really what was coming because I only ever saw everything out of the corner of my eye 'cause I was actually looking out the other side of the window but out of this side I did see it was a red light. I was just starting to turn where I saw the vehicle hit us. I completely ate the dash of the car, which is why I do have crowns, fake teeth, whatever you wanna call 'em. Lost them, my legs damaged, my pants were ripped. I will also say it's the middle of winter. It was minus 38 Celsius. 

 

Ann: That's cold. 

 

Heather: The same as in Fahrenheit, it was brutally cold. I was obviously experiencing some type of trauma because I kept getting out of the vehicle. I would look at the front of the car, I would go to the back. I'd check on my daughter. I'd get back in and I kept doing it. Part of me knew I was doing it. The other part of me seemed like I had no control of it, and I kept doing it over and over and over again. This Good Samaritans had come by, I guess he was a soccer coach. And he kept asking me if I knew my name, if I, how many fingers, things like that, what was he holding up? What year was it? And I was just terribly, I guess I was in shock. I was confused. Uh, good Samaritans had brought us into their vehicles, even though there was lots of blood and ripped clothing and all this going on. Unfortunately, there were lies that were told to the police officers. By the at time boyfriend. I didn't know this had happened. I didn't understand where's my ambulance. I needed an ambulance. At any rate, as time fast forwards, I do really need to see a doctor. I had an instant horrendous migraine, like the top of my head was gonna blow off. I had never had a migraine or a headache in my life. It was really quite severe, probably concussion, but didn't know it at the time. Eventually he, managed to have us go to his mother's clinic and records were hidden, let's just put it that way. There was not a lot of medical assistance at the time. I had, some X-rays done. My legs were not broken, but they were badly damaged. Stitches my, my face, my lips were bleeding all split. I had to go and see, an orthodontist to do something with my mouth. Anyways, it went on and on. So as time went on, I wasn't in the hospital. Probably should have been. What actually happened is it was after that I ended up having severe, a severe charlie horse. 

 

Now a charlie horse is where you have a continuous terrible cramp in your leg, usually in the calf that does not go away. Sometimes people will have a charlie horse, maybe they need more potassium in their diet or, magnesium or something, they'll get a charlie horse. Or sometimes when they're sleeping or you know, they're not, maybe they don't move a lot through their day. 

 

At any rate, I had this charlie horse. Now I was an avid cyclist. I was cycling even as, as long as the streets were fairly clear, even when it was cold, I cycled 10k every day, six days a week.  

 

Ann: Wow. That's...  

 

Heather: and I struggled to do that. I worked for a newspaper. I was a, newspaper editor and I cycled to drop my daughter off at her day home. And then I cycled off to work after that. Opposite ends of the, this, very large small city, what people consider very small city, but in Canada, it's a city at any rate. And, I was really struggling. I was really struggling. I still had a lot of numbness in my face. This did happen over the Christmas holidays. 

 

I did get to have a little bit of time off at that time before I went back to work. I should say. I did have some people notice my legs were black, not blue and green from bruising. They were black from the knees down. It was really severe at, at any rate, so now I have to fast forward again, I'm sorry. So this is the end of February where I'm cycling, I'm still working. I have had a migraine ever since the car accident. It has never gone away. I had, I saw several doctors with regards to the migraine, yes, but also with regard to the charlie horse. And I just had a real hard time moving around over overall. 

 

And I ended up seeing this took all through end of February, all the way through to June. By the time I hit June, I was now seeing my ninth doctor. And my ninth doctor. I had talked about the car accident. I they could see, I still hadn't healed from it. By then, yes, my teeth were replaced with these crazy crowns and I, I told him I was in horrendous pain. I wasn't sleeping very well. I've had a continuous migraine. I diagnosed myself at that time, because I got tired of not being listened to, and I said, my concern is deep vein thrombosis from the car accident. And, he laughed at me and told me I was being silly. I was being a silly young woman, a silly girl. And if that was the case, I would be in a tremendous amount of pain. Well, I was, I just was not that type of person, I don't know, I mean, what was I supposed to do, cry? And that's what I said to him. Well, is it better if I cry? I am in tremendous amount of pain. And he said, one minute. And he went and got a colleague, another doctor. 

 

So I guess technically that was 10 who also examined me, talked to me and said, don't be silly. Now, if somebody has deep vein thrombosis, their leg is very swollen, it's red, it's hot. I didn't show those type of attributes for a deep vein thrombosis, but I did have an extraordinary amount of pain from an ongoing charlie horse for months, never went away. And he had said the same thing. Deep vein thrombosis are very painful and obviously you're not in pain. And so I was told I was worried 'cause I was going on vacation to visit my grandparents in Penticton, British Columbia. And then going from there to visit my father and aunts and uncles in British Columbia, just not too far from Vancouver. And so that was my concern. And they said, well just go and you'll obviously need a holiday from work. You must be stressed. Go and have your holiday. 

 

Ann: Okay, sounds good. 

 

Heather: Don't worry about anything, you'll be fine. Great. I left there feeling, you know, when you feel doom, you feel doom. And it was kind of like being on a ride or taking an elevator that kind of suddenly went down really fast. 

 

Ann: Yeah. 

 

Heather: I felt that in my stomach.  

 

Ann: Right.  

 

Heather: Was not a good feeling. Very concerning. But what could I do about it? I've tried and done my best. And so, uh, packed up left at about 5, 5 30 in the morning that very next morning. And as we were driving in a sports car, of course. We have, I don't know if it was five hours, four hours, six hours, uh, drive. I suddenly didn't have a charlie horse anymore. 

But what was interesting about that is I celebrated it. I thought, oh, how fantastic. I, maybe I was wrong and I, I, I feel good. I can walk. And it was, I was ecstatic about it. We had a, we had a picnic you know, on one of the provincial parks and everything was good. Had a little walk and got back into the vehicle. Went to Penticton to visit my grandparents. And this was basically, I was presenting my fiance to my family. They had not met your fiance before.  

 

Heather: They hadn't met him before. So that's what that was also all about.  

 

Ann: Okay.  

 

Heather: We brought our bikes with us because we cycled. That's what we did. 

 

Ann: Yeah. Keen cyclists don't go anywhere without your bike.  

 

Heather: Exactly. And so we got to Penticton. It was around supper time. Uh, I was very tired very tired. I think I went to bed at 8.30 pm. 

 

Ann: Right. 

 

Heather: Almost same time as my daughter, and I got up the next day still feeling quite tired actually. Didn't quite know why. We did go cycling in Penticton, it's quite hilly. And, uh, I, I couldn't keep up to my daughter who was six.  

 

Ann: Right.  

Heather: So I thought, oh maybe somehow I have a chest infection. Maybe somehow I got sick. I was just all very strange and I didn't know why. I didn't know what the issue was. So, you know, we didn't really do much cycling. Uh, we ended up going to the beach for a little while because of course, what little child doesn't wanna go to the beach? And so we did that for a little while to, it was absolutely exhausting for me. really wanted just to take a nap. we were leaving the next day. So, went to bed again super early.  

  

Ann: Had your grandparents at this point whispered behind your back? We really like your fiance. Had they, given the go ahead? 

 

Heather: No. Okay. They, they, they actually hadn't, I think they were still sizing him up. Um, 

 

Ann: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. 

 

Heather: Yeah. Yeah. For them, he was not what they had hoped for, I think.  

 

Ann: Oh, shame.  

 

Heather: Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, we, we left the next morning to drive to, uh, meet my father in Langley, BC. Again, it's a few, it's a few hours, about three and some and we went to the Fort Langley with my daughter, it was a meeting place, but it was also an outing. 

Now to be honest with you, I am really feeling tremendously bad. I am not the type of person, uh, well at that time I don't do it anymore. But at that time, I didn't want to bring any attention to myself. I didn't want to say, Hey, you know what? I think I'm really sick. Nope, I just carried on, pulled up my socks, you know, very typical Scotsman like, and kept moving. 

 

And there, there was a picture actually of me and you would never know that I was in tremendous pain. Uh, did that with my father, my daughter, fiance. Then we followed him to his place. He had a beautiful home on a lovely acreage. At any rate, by the time we got there, I noticed I couldn't lean back in the chair. I couldn't have anything touching my back. That was a hard surface, uh, because it was extraordinarily painful, right? I didn't know why, but it was very painful. So I sat like bored straight. I mean, pretty much how I was taught as a child, children are like pictures, right? Seen and not heard anyway, you know, hands folded in lap. 

 

At any rate, I just sat there a light chitchat again, exhausted, uh, put my daughter to bed. And then I followed not too long after, but I couldn't lay down. I had almost every pillow one could imagine behind me. And I kind of eased into it and said to my fiance at the time I'm not, well, I don't know what's happening or what's going on. Maybe I should see a doctor tomorrow. I, I'm not, it hurts, it's painful. I was also short of breath. Didn't know why. Thought, hey, maybe I have a bad chest infection. To be honest with you, as a child, I was quite a sickly child. I always had pneumonia, I always had bronchitis. I was kind of, I incarnated that way. 

 

And, uh, so it was also part of the reason why I didn't like to say anything about being ill, because my family was quite as a child, irritated with me being ill all the time. Oh. And so it was, it was a conditioning, you know? 

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: Yeah. And so, the next morning he was going, 'cause we had a dinner party to go to that evening. So now it's the next morning at my father's place. He was going to his friend's house who had moved from Alberta to Vancouver and that's where we were having the dinner party. I was not joining them till later because I was with my father, my stepmother, my daughter visiting my family, just outside of, Vancouver and they were all, getting together at, my aunt's house. However, by the time I got there, I was very quiet and not my usual self. Usually I'm joking and, telling stories of silly things that had happened. May it be at work or just in general, in life. I was just sitting quietly, which my father did notice because he said, don't you have anything that you wanna share with anybody? And it was like, no.  

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: I had no energy. Uh, I don't even know how long we stayed there In my head I kept thinking, oh my gosh, I'm actually really unwell. I need, I need to see a doctor now recognize in my family, all the elder women anyways, were all nurses or psych nurses. 

 

Ann: Okay.  

 

Heather: And I said nothing.  

 

Ann: So they didn't know, even though they had all that nursing ability, that they could have given you advice, they didn't know 'cause you didn't say that you were feeling that bad.  

 

Heather: Yeah, precisely. 

 

Ann: Okay, I gotcha. 

 

Heather: Basically. So, it was time to leave from there. Of course my father was, gonna watch my daughter. After all, it's his granddaughter and he drove me to the dinner party, to which I wasn't talking to anybody. I wasn't able to eat anything. I certainly was not having drinks. People were having drinks and smoking and it was just, it was an absolute party. but I was just kind of sitting like a lump, more or less. 

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: I did say to my fiance at the time, I said, I am really unwell. I don't know how long I sat there. It got worse and worse it felt like, as the minutes went by, I did get up from there oh and the hostess actually had said you know, do you not like any of the appies? Did you not like the meal? So I didn't eat anything. And I said, oh no, it's not that. I'm sure it's lovely. I just, I'm not feeling well.  

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: And so I did get up, I went to the washroom and I stood in front of the mirror, to, big mirror and I stood there and looked at myself for a bit of time. I said, Heather, if you do not announce you need help, you are going to die. You need to tell people you need help. And it's, it's a feeling that I don't, it, its almost such a deep, incredible knowing that that's going to be happening. It's not like it really came from the outside. It was just a deep inside internal knowing. And so I left there and by then everybody was in the house. Who knows how long I was in the washroom? I don't know. And the music was playing. It wasn't blaring. And I had said, I need an ambulance. And everybody looked at me and I went over and I turned the music right down as they said, what? I need an ambulance. I need an ambulance right now. Right now. I wasn't hysterical 'cause it wasn't in my makeup to be, I was just, what I thought was clear and my fiance had said, no, don't call. 'cause the guy had already picked up the phone. He said, no, no, don't, don't phone for an ambulance. I'll drive her.  

 

Ann: Right.  

 

Heather: And I said, you don't even know anything about British Columbia. You don't know anything about Vancouver. It's easy to get lost. No, I want the ambulance. Next thing I know, I was picked up. I was stuffed in the vehicle. When they put me in, which made my back touch the back of that darn chair, I yelled out, right, 'cause it was painful. Closed the door and off. 

 

Now at some point in time, I, I must have passed out because, to be honest with you, I'm not remembering the drive until now we're at the Canadian US border, we're in that line and it's almost like waking up. And I said, oh my gosh, why are we here? You got lost? And he said, yeah, I just have to go through and I'll turn around. 

 

I was feeling so horrendous by that time. By the time we, I don't remember getting through and being, and even speaking to the Canadian border person for the American side, the American, obviously, I don't remember that part. But as we were going, believe me, it's bumper to bumper to bumper. It takes a long time to get through. By the time we got through there and then we had to circle around to come back into the line to come into Canada. Well, by the time that happened, I, I had lost my ability to, to talk and then to hear. I really needed to go to the washroom. Not that I really needed to. I didn't know what to do with myself. I had pointed at it. He stopped. I got out, there was a, you know, a long counter with a, a lot of sinks. A kind of slid my body along there till I got to the wall. So I'm in between the counter and the hand dryer, which is what's holding me up. And I'm just standing there. 

 

And I don't know how long I was there for. I, I was, I guess I was feeling despair at that time. I don't really know what to do. I, I could only talk in my head. I could only communicate in my head. This elderly lady had come in, gosh, she was lovely. she had come in, she looked at me. I mean, I must have looked God awful. 

 

I probably was pale or grey. Who knows what. She had come over to me and was talking. But all I could see was her mouth moving. I couldn't hear her. I couldn't say anything. I'm screaming in my head. I need help. I need help. I need help. But that's in my head. So she, she was taking my temperature. She felt, you know, how they used to feel under the ear, and then she felt my forehead and she's talking to me. I have nothing. I'm screaming in my head. She goes to the washroom, she comes out, she washes her hands. She's looking at me, talking to me. My thought was, oh my gosh, is it possible she thinks I'm may be on drugs of some kind, you know, and really I need help. And then she left. I did splash some water on my face and said, you gotta get out of this washroom, you gotta get outta here. So I slid back along the counter. I opened the door. I was hand over, hand over the car. That was still, he was waiting. Now he, he must have found I was there for a long time 'cause he was quite irritated. You know, when somebody's irritated, you can't hear them. But they're like, like, you know, and I just kind of looked at him. I had nothing to say 'cause I couldn't speak. And we left and now we're in the line to go to back to Canada and the border patrol guy there. He did point at me. Now I didn't fully turn, but I could turn a bit. And I did look and I thought, oh gosh. And he, he could be my savior. He could help me. 

 

Surely he notices that I'm not doing well. He could save me, he could help the whole situation. I don't know what my fiance said, but then he waved us through. And it was at that moment of time that I knew there was no help. There was going to be no help and I was gonna die. I just knew it right then and there. We're driving, I remember it being a very dark, kind of a dark, lonely highway. For all I know. He asked this person directions. I don't even know. I remember this terrible S-turn. It was an exit and an S-turn and he was taking it quite fast actually, which made me scream out. By then, the pain in my head screaming, by then, the pain was so horrendous beyond anything I had ever experienced in my life, beyond words even. It was so severe. I must have passed out and then came to, and the dash of the vehicle is, is right in front of my face. And I could see the leather design, I could see a bit of the wood and I was confused with that. 

 

I was like why am I so close to the dash? Look at the design in the leather. I'm close to all the buttons and everything. Didn't make any sense to me. I guess I was pulled back by that stage back in my seat. And then after that it really was lights out. So it was slow. It was a progressive thing. I knew I was going to die. My number was called. It's kind of like your number's called, you know, it. I had, that intense feeling of knowing this is it for me. At first I was afraid I was, I didn't wanna die, you know, I really didn't wanna die but this darkness started to come, but it had a sound to it too. It was kind of like a, like a like almost like a breeze, but you don't feel the breeze, but the sound of it. And it came from a bit behind and over me until all I could see out of was a tiny pinhole and eventually that was gone. And so I am completely in or embraced by this blackness that's black. 

 

Like we don't know here on this plane. So black, so devoid of light of any kind. I was a hundred percent alone. That wasn't the scary part. I was elated with the fact I wasn't in pain. But to be quite honest with you, I didn't know where I was and I didn't even know at this stage. It wasn't until later I recognised, but it wasn't until that I didn't know I was dead. To be honest with you, people will say, well, everyone knows when they're dead. But no, not really. Not when it's fast like that and I had no historical background in, any religious anythings. So, I'm in this black place, but it's truly calm. It's very, I feel very calmed. I feel very comfortable. It's kind of like floating. You're kind of floating. You're suspended, but you're floating all at the same time. It's not like you're dropping in through somewhere. You're not, it's a floating feeling. What I always likened it to was for anybody who has managed to be at a lake where there's absolutely nobody. Maybe that's more in my rural area of Canada, but anyways, there's absolutely nobody. It's early morning the lake is, is like a mirror. It's so calm and it's quiet and it would be like floating on your back with your eyes closed. That's what it reminded me of. Very, very peaceful. But at the same time, I was also very curious. I was so curious in the fact that I wanted to know how dark is it really here? How dark is it really? And so I had put my hand in front of my face. I wanna know, can I see my hand now? Not recognising I'm dead. So, this obviously would be, yes, myself, but on an energetic level, I could not see my hand. I couldn't see anything As time went along, I noticed way off in the distance was kind of like a tiny speck of light because of course, you know, in, in this place, any type of flight you are going to notice immediately, it was like, so black. And so I kind of watched it and I had noticed, oh it, it got a little bigger. Oh, look at that. It's getting bigger. I wonder what that is. I was always a curious person. And in this stage, I'm still a curious person. I'm curious. And so I'm watching it and watching it. It's getting closer and closer. 

 

And then I realised, oh, wait a minute, that looks like a funnel. And it's coming closer and closer. I'm keeping my eye on it. I'm not feeling extraordinarily comfortable at this stage because it is getting quite big. And then next thing I know, it's kind of over me and I am, I'm being almost like being slowly beamed up into it. 

 

I do not have any control whatsoever. And it swirled, it moved. It had a lot of motion to it. I kinda look up and for anybody who's wondering why I look up, because each time I talk about this, it's like a running movie in front of my face. And so that's why I look up. It had this incredible light and grey and sparkling white light within it as it swirled and moved, seemed quite large. And as I'm being drawn in there, I'm not feeling very comfortable right now. I decided to stretch my arms and legs out kind of like a starfish because I wanted to touch the sides because quite frankly, I wanted to stop the movement. Once I did that, it widened so I could not. Now, it was at that moment of time that I was actually completely freaked out. I was frightened. I had no control, which is why I was so frightened. I couldn't stop this process. There was nothing I could do because obviously it, it widened. I couldn't touch the sides. Who knows what the sides were. Anyways, and I continue going up and up. I did look up and as I looked up, it was even brighter. 

 

Like the higher that we went, the brighter it got. And I had no idea what that was, what's happening. All I know is I'm frightened at this stage. And as I got to the very top of it, it was kind of like being popped out into this incredible light. And it was like a, not a, not just a, a blinding white light. There was more to it than that. It was kind of had a bit of a bluish baby, bluish tinge to it, but it was dimensional light. It's almost like a live light. It had movement to it. It had levels to it. It was very interesting. But of course I was shielding myself by this stage. The brightness was just like nothing I could liken it to here. 

 

Ann: When you say, di, sorry to interrupt you 'cause it's fascinating, but when you say dimensional light, can you explain a little bit more about that? What was that again to you?  

 

Heather: To me it was okay, let's just, ima you turn on your light switch or, somebody shines a really bright light at you. It doesn't have the feel of many levels to it, many different tones to it, it's one tone.  

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: Um, and yeah. May it be having an, a bit of a yellow tinge to it. A brilliant white tinge to it, or a bluish tinge. This was kind of all of them in it, and it was it came from everywhere. It wasn't just shining at me. It was, I'm enveloped in it and it's expansive, it's enormous. It just felt to me, not that I knew energy at the time. Okay. Not that I knew it at the time. It just felt to me that there were different tones of light within that light. Now, as time was going along, it felt yes, more like a consciousness. 

 

So maybe that's why, to me it felt like it had many dimensions to it. There was just so much more to it than just light and it ever so brilliant. And so the area that I am in, which is very interesting because. It's like you're standing on something, but it doesn't make sense 'cause why is there a floor? But I'm standing on something, obviously way off in the distance off in the distance. I don't know how far now if anybody's been to a night time, like football game. And you know how they have those incredible lights? They're bright, they're enormous. There's so many of them. If you took all of them and stacked them all on top of each other and then have a large group of people start walking from that light. 

 

Now, at first I didn't notice anybody other than the distance of that light was different. The people, it was sort of like a very vague outline. Then it was more like silhouettes coming towards me. And I'm not talking about maybe 10 people. I'm talking about like a hundred, 150 people. Maybe it was more, maybe it was 200 people. There was a mass of, it was a massive group. And now I'm, I'm really afraid, I'm very much afraid now and I'm kind of vile with my language. As they're getting closer and closer and I'm putting my hand up and saying, stop. And, f off back away from me. Get the f away from me. You know, I was not nice about the whole thing at all. And I was very much myself with my language and everything else, and frightened, really frightened. 

 

Ann: You'd be petrified, would you not? I mean, of course.  

 

Heather: Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, they kept coming and kept coming and that's why as they kind of spread out in a group was how I recognised there was so many of them. And so it really was back the f away, back the stop, you know, I'm screaming it actually now there's a few people in the very front. The group stops and then the others come forward. So, but now I can see their faces and I'm looking and I had realised, oh, I know some of these people. There's my uncle Dick and there's my Aunt Alice, and there's my great-grandfather and my grandfather, and there's people I, I knew. Now perplexing, because wait a minute, they're, they died, they died. And uh, now I'm still not sure. I really don't know what's going on, to be honest with you. I even told them to f off, f off. My great-grandmother steps towards me and she's maybe a hand width away from me at this stage. And this part always makes me cry. Ugh. She had said, "Heather, you have died." I, I couldn't grasp that. And so she had said it again, "Heather, you have died." And she had, and I was like, no, no, no. This can't be, how can this be? And I, you know how you put your hands over your, uh, your face? I had dropped to the floor. I'm on my knees now. You know how you cradle yourself, your foreheads even on your knees, you know, like kind of in a ball. And I'm crying. Can't be. It can't be. It can't be. Obviously she stepped back. And there was this different feel that came, uh, 'cause I'm this way and from over here was a different feel of energy. I could only liken it to that, of that had like some golden light in it. It was different and I knew it was different. It was just a real deep knowing there's a difference here. Now. I was told I was gonna be okay, you're going to be okay. But it was very peaceful, very genuine, very caring, very loving. And when I paused for a moment now, instead of all my freak out and bawling and everything else, that was when I realised the light in general was very welcoming, was supportive incredibly loving energy, I guess we'd call it now. 

 

Um, but I didn't notice that right away because I was too busy in my freaking out. When I did stand up, what was kind of odd was I noticed the group of people were of, I couldn't figure out if it, they knew me from different lifetimes. There were some war vets from World War I even, there was a Knight's Templar. There was what I called a really poor king. He had a crown, but it was not what we consider how a king would be. 

 

Ann: And you, so you are surmising that these are possibly people from past lives, aspects of your soul., 

 

Heather: Possibly, or somehow they knew me, but at that moment in time, I didn't know them. They were just part of the group. And there were certain ones that I noticed. I noticed the elderly lady in brown rags even ,like a brown rag ripped shawl. Kinda all hunched over. I recall her. 

 

Ann: You were talking as well about the really poor king.  

 

Heather: Yeah, and he, he was more back there. Um, he did have a robe on, but his crown was almost like very medieval made. It was interesting. It's not what we would ever consider a king to be wearing. No, so, that's why I called him the poor king, I, and, and there were many, many, many others. And so with this energy that's still with me telling me everything's gonna be okay, everything's going to be okay. I was then removed from this whole entire setting, which was too bad 'cause I didn't get to ask anything. 

 

I was then off to the Life Review. The life review was, you're completely immersed in it. You are everything. It's not like for me anyways, maybe for other people it was, but not for me. It wasn't like watching it on screens. It was like the whole place that I was in was a living echo or a living record of my entire, my, my life. 

 

In every aspect. I am not only just the viewer, I'm the experiencer, I'm the doer. I am noticing it energetically. I'm noticing it consciously. Everything that happened, I'm experiencing it in all encompassing ways. Example, if you can imagine, oh, I guess, you know, if you know how you put, you can put those VR's on and you can have an experience. Maybe you're in Egypt. 

 

Ann: Yes. 

 

Heather: It's kind of liking it to that. But, so you're really immersed in it, but you feel everything, you know, everything, all the thoughts, all the feelings everything about it. And so as I'm being shown things.  

 

Ann: Are you knowing your own thoughts or thoughts of other people? 

 

Heather: Other people, what they thought, what they felt, what they experienced, what the energy exchange was? Where did they, how did they, what did they do with the energy? Our words, our energy, it, it goes into people, it goes into their auric field. Some people take it right entirely into their body. They bring it into a belief structure that they may already have about themselves. And so it's impacting, it's adding to that belief structure. I could feel and know their thoughts. You just know everything. You just know everything. And so their example... I was in, a group home, not exactly a foster home, but sort of, I guess, anyways, it wasn't a very good one. 

 

And you age outta those and you're kind of left out onto the streets. if you have a place to go, good for you. A lot of the girls didn't. Some of us, I got student loans, I did go to college. But not everybody has that belief in themselves that they can do these things. So there was other girls in there who didn't know how to support themselves, once their age out and they turned to things that happens. 

 

You know, it's, may it be stripping or, or may it be selling their bodies or they're on survival. They, they couldn't get a job for whatever reason. I mean, let's face it, once we're finished high school you know, we don't really have a whole lot of work experience. So, it can be pretty tough if you don't have an address, that's not gonna work for you to have a job. You have no address, so you're pretty much on the streets. And so there was this young girl there. She hadn't been newly in the group home, obviously younger than me 'cause I was about to age out. And, her belief was, well after this, I guess, I can, work at a club. And I said, because I had said to her, I said, you know, we're more than our body and you're a smart girl. you could continue. Don't give up on your high school. Don't ever give up on your education, you could apply for student loans and go to college and not be a statistic. They all expect us to be a statistic and that we are hopeless and we are not gonna contribute too much to society. And I didn't know that she really took that to heart. And this part gets me too. She went to school. Yeah, she went to school and she didn't do that, anyways, I was very happy for her. 

 

Ann: But you hadn't known that in your physical life, but you found that out through this experience where she was able to share thoughts with you?  

 

Heather: Yeah, because I was being shown how sometimes we don't recognise even the smallest things or brief conversations with people can change somebody's life. And so that's what I was being shown. I was, I had no idea. Because once you leave these government in institutions, more or less, you lose touch with these people. That's what happens. You lose touch with each other. And so it, it was I was beyond happy for her. Yeah. Yeah. But then there's other aspects. So, you know, sometimes we have frenemies, and, I, I had a few friends like that, you know, sometimes we were wonderful friends and other times we were in battle and we were, you know, physically beating each other up or, yelling not nice things to one another. And, I was shown that as well. 

 

And I was shown, the reason why I was shown that because on how we receive verbal, energetic information. On how we receive thought information. So, anger and rage have a, a very prominent energy signature to it. And people really do take it in. They can take it into their heart center and take it as true, incredible level of wounding. They can take it into their will centre, they can bring it right down into their main belief structure as an add-on that they're no good. That they're not gonna be anything that they, they're not under their own sense of will. And it was showing me all that, as well as how I was also taking it in from how I was being treated from her or from other people. 

 

And I would file and she filed the information. We filed it, it was like using our physical bodies like file systems until a later date, if ever, that we are going to look at these unprocessed experiences in our life and to have a better understanding and so that we can release that as a, because it's a non-truth. 

 

So, I was shown all that, in how we interact with one another and when it's beautiful and when it's loving and really how that lifts somebody, it just lifts their spirit. It, and in some regards it can, it can even heal parts of themselves when they are, supported in a loving conscientious way. Um, doesn't, doesn't mean they hang off you, but just you maybe said something to them, an attribute that you've noticed they have but they've questioned, and so they'll bring it into a belief and so that helps them rise. Excuse me. The other parts that I had was also being shared with and shown was, um, sometimes we can take it into a cellular level and how it can, hinder transition the frequency of particular cells. 

 

So let's say, somebody who takes a lot of information that they find it very hard to cope with, they swallow it and they ingest it, and so they place it in the stomach. And then how that, inflames the nervous system and how it affects the cellular structure eventually for that person with their stomach, their digestive system, perhaps they already have a deregulated nervous system. It just adds to it. So, I was shown that I was shown the communication between nuclei, between cellular structures. On how they communicate with one another. The cells aren't all smooshed up against each other. There's space there and they communicate with each other. They help each other and wherever it's gonna be in the body, may it be in the brain and may it be in the lungs. May it be in the heart. I mean, there's so much to us. We really are a miracle. The human body is miracle. 

 

Ann: Did you learn? Yeah. I mean, it's amazing, did you learn, when we take these things in, at a cellular level, as you say, I can understand that because some people especially sensitives, mediums, psychic people we feel so much. Did you learn how can we not absorb it so deeply into our cells as it were?  

 

Heather: Yes, absolutely. Because then we come into that understanding of, we can be the observer, but to understand it, does not mean we have to absorb it. And to really have that understanding that we don't, don't bring it in and claim it because there's a claiming that ends up happening to further an understanding. And as empaths,. HSPs, highly sensitive people of varying degrees tend to do that. Sometimes I did it as a child because I was trying to understand my horrific life situation. And so I have been an HSP, certainly an empath, certainly, so I, I would take the confusing abusive situation, whatever it happens to be, and I would, I would bring it inward to understand it better so that I, this was me working on myself to have these understandings, so that I could actually then learn how to cope. If I had that level of understanding. However, we don't need to do that. And yes, we have to be highly aware that is what we are doing. There's also, I was shown using energy that we can, excuse me, protect ourselves, until we really have integrated that understanding that we don't need to bring it inward to have the complete understanding as to what is going on with. 

 

Somebody or ourselves, or information or what has, because a lot of times it's multi-leveled understanding and so we'll take it inward, but you can create. Now a lot of people talk about using white light. I really prefer to work with the plasma. So it's an energetic plasma. And, and the reason to surround yourself with that, is because you can still have this beautiful exchange of energy with, with source, with, your guides, with people that you know, are sharing love in your heart centre. Everything's open to receiving love and grace and everything else. You can still experience that, but anything else on a, on a lower frequency we'll call, it is not permitted to penetrate. It stops there, it stops at the beginning.  

 

Ann: So for people who may not have heard of this plasma, could you explain a little bit about what that is or how they might use that themselves? 

 

Heather: A lot of people have heard about embracing all around you like a cocoon or, um, an orb of white energy. It's the same effect, but you're using plasma. And the reason why I call it plasma, you can liken it to this. Have you ever been on a highway in the middle of the summer and it's hot wherever you are. 

 

Ann: Mm-hmm. 

 

Heather: And you'll have that approximately in the distance you'll see the heat and it almost looks like plasma, but it's a heat range. sometimes you can see it shimmering, you can see it moving and plasma very much not like that. But you can still see through it. But it's extraordinarily powerful. It really truly is. I also learned from, traveling down what I called wormholes 'cause I didn't know what to call them. There's some that were more like plasma, some that had a lot of colour in them. You're moving very, very fast, mind you, through these little wormholes. There's also, there was a TV show or a movie where one of the beings was, you could see through it, but you could also see the movement like there was something else there.  

 

Ann: Yes. I know. 

 

Heather: It's like that, right?  

 

Ann: Was it Predator or something like that? 

 

Heather: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of like, that's the plasma. 

 

Ann: Right. 

  

Heather: It's very, very strong. 

 

Ann: And you put that in a, that's, so what are we doing? Imagining it is there or it is there?  

 

Heather: You call it in, call it in. 

 

Ann: But it's also in like, so we step into a, an oval bubble of it. Is that what, how you would call it in? 

 

Heather: Yeah, it's like stepping right into it. You can call it in to be presented for you from, whatever your belief structure is, if it's God, if it's Allah, if it's the divine, the sacred, the holy. That's how I always call things in the divine, the sacred and the holy, to be presented to me for, and I'm always clear on why, you know, for the support and the energetic protection of myself, for myself, whatever it happens to be. I mean, do I walk around with it 24/7? No, but I do use it in certain circumstances. I do. Absolutely, it is very helpful. Working and, understanding through the life review and understanding karma understanding with, uh, how energy works around the human body, within the human body, how we affect each other with energy. It was very in depth and it felt like so much education, that it was forever, but really it wasn't obviously but it was really in depth. And it really, that truth truthfully, was an evolution of understanding it. It did take me time to really integrate all that information and to learn how to, work with it. This was also the time period where I was shown karma and family and how we choose our family like parents, siblings, even ... 

 

Ann: How do we choose them? That's a really interesting question for some of us.  

 

Heather: Yeah, you know, we, we have a group of those that assist us. We can call it that, those that assist us before we incarnate on the physical bodies that are going to create us and the physical body that's going to bring us into incarnation, obviously the mother and the father. Now, for some people, they may come through that way and then they are, adopted or, you know, brought to another family that is actually even part of it as well. That's part of it as well. The siblings and certain big experiences, not everything is a contract. Not every single thing that you go through in life is going to be an agreement. So we'll have our exit points. I have had other exit points that I didn't go through. I did go through, let's remind you, but okay. You know, there's other exit points that I have. I believe it's two others. And everybody has, you don't just have one exit point, you really don't. You have others. Big experiences that you chose to, kind of like check off. Oh yeah, you know, um, in this incarnation, I want to be male. In this incarnation I want to, uh, go to this place on the planet. In this incarnation I, I really do need to experience on how to manage extreme adversity. We will choose that definitely. In this lifetime I'm going to choose for myself, uh, very young parents who actually did not know how to parent and who would put me i.e. myself as a girl child, in some really horrific experiences. I did choose those. And through my life review, these were the things that I was shown. 

 

 I was also shown that, my mom and I had several lifetimes together. My father not as many as my mom. My siblings. It was really quite interesting because this went into my stepfather, who was a brutal human being, but in another lifetime we had lifetimes in the past and he assaulted children and in another lifetime I murdered him. And so we are in a karmic role in this lifetime. And my uncle as well, my uncle and I in another lifetime we were and wife.  

 

Ann: What's the role of karma then?  

 

Heather: So the role of karma actually is to obtain the information yes, but to, to integrate that information into an understanding for the, for the actual soul purpose. To rise in awareness, consciousness, knowing. Once we come to that part, we never lose it because it's wisdom. And so when we have that soul wisdom, it actually is on a different frequency. It also helps the soul to rise to a different frequency overall. Not everything, well for me anyways, worked out that way, to be honest with you. I had things that I had to like a redo with people. There are many levels. This was, I, I found this really quite interesting actually 'cause there were so many levels to the resting place of the souls that come in and make and create the consciousness. Consciousness has levels to it, interestingly enough. 

So, let's say, oh, I don't know, let's say they're Hitler. We'll say Hitler, okay. The atrocities that he had implemented on our world, planet and people, his soul is not going to be at the same level of frequency as mine or yours or many people out there. It is a lower frequency. Can I say what level? I don't know, was it level two? There was no indication that there was a hell, no indication whatsoever there was a hell. There was frequencies of a soul. So a soul vibrating on a higher frequency of let's say a five or a six, is not going to be in the mix of souls on a two level frequency. It doesn't work. It's kind of like here, as your frequency rises, your consciousness rises, your awareness rises and people are drawn to you who are of similar frequency. I'm sure a lot of people have noticed that over time. On a soul level, it's very similar to that. 

 

Ann: Right.  

 

Heather: It's very similar to that. There's even different realms, angelic realms as well. I was shown that there's really high frequencies of, we like to call them angels, we do, we feel very comfortable calling them angels, but the truth is they're beings. When you say a being, is that an energy, a consciousness, an essence, a frequency? What is a being? 

 

Heather: A being actually houses all of that. So, a being is of, depending on where they're from could be of a very, very high frequency. They have high level of wisdom because once you pass knowledge, you enter wisdom. They are light. They don't have a form like us. They don't even have an angelic form really, they can be a ball of light. The interesting thing I found about beings or guides or angels, they will appear and show themselves to us and are very, very conscientious on what it is we can manage. So they're not gonna present themselves in a way that is going to shock us. Send us into, oh my gosh, this is horrifying, you know, they're not gonna do that. They're not. It's kind of like when, uh, my near death and uh, my grandparents all stepped forward. They don't live in that form, 'cause their souls. 

 

Ann: That's right. 

  

Heather: But they presented themselves that way for me 'cause of course I'm freaking out, but because I was most comfortable with that. Most comfortable, as much as one could be. So, it's the same thing when it comes to guides. It's the same thing when it comes to beings. The more comfortable you are in, in your awareness and consciousness, they know that. So if you are going to be presented with a light being, a light being meaning, there could be kind of an outline of an incredible shining light, a light being, or it could be an orb. It could be an orb, so it really is depending upon what our comfort level is.  

 

Ann: So the light being would be within the orb?  

 

Heather: Yeah. The consciousness of it. All that it is this orb. Yeah.  

 

Ann: And then Heather, what is your understanding of an angelic being then?  

 

Heather: Well, interestingly enough, I had zero belief structure of angels. Zero. I was presented with some, interestingly enough, some, it was the whole wings and everything, which was interesting. Some were of pure white wings, feathers. Uh, some were of, the wingspan started off as a lighter colour, and then as it went down, it, it got darker. Maybe it's, uh, darker grey, but it's white. And then a heather grey and a lighter tone of grey and a medium grey until it's, it was a quite interesting, actually very big. Big, big, big beings like, uh, of angels, massive, you know? 

 

Um, I would liken that to, in my day I have called on Archangel Michael, who's quite big, you know, I have called upon them. Uh, there's others who angelic beings from a very, very, very high realm. And I'm talking about 11, 12 level frequency, where they have kind of like an outline of that. As a matter of fact, I did have seven of them around my bed at one point in time. But it doesn't look exactly like they've got wings, but it's, it's sort of there, if that makes sense.  

 

Ann: Yeah, it does make sense. But how do they differ then, from a light being, what is the purpose of an angelic being? Why do we call them these different things?  

 

Heather: Well, one human nature is comfortable with it. And so whatever our comfort is how that is going to be presented. Angelic beings, depending upon what realm they're in are always willing to assist us and to show up in what's comfortable for us. I really hope I answered that properly. Um, you, you've got other levels that are really just light. And if somebody's comfortable with, with experiencing just light as an angelic being, not all angelic beings have incarnated. There's some who have never, they don't even come from here, meaning beyond earth, they could even be from other dimensions.  

 

Ann: So then you have visited a place called the Crystal City and a place of great healing . can you go a little bit into that for us?  

 

Heather: Yeah. So first, after my, uh, life review and understanding of karma, how that worked, what I chose to heal in my karmic experiences past, lives, into this life, I really did choose a full plate. I did, 'cause I wanted this to be my last incarnation here, and I didn't know that until I was over there anyways. I was shown the place of healing after that, after the angels, after the guides, after all that information to the place of healing. There's, the interesting thing was the marble. I didn't anticipate that I, how could I, I mean there's marble floors and marble structures, pillars, I guess we could call it because I touched it. And, it's white marble by the way, and there is kind of like a healing pool, healing waters. We went by that and we continued to this place where, swear, some souls have had such a very hard lifetime and they go to this, it seemed more intense place of healing. And it's almost like being kind of like in a little sort of place of crystal where the soul actually is and it emanates different frequencies of healing. I noticed some were like a very pale pink, some were like blue, some were opal different frequencies, but souls could be in a place of healing for a long time. Not there, not that there's time, but in my understanding, because one of my things was, how did I not ever see my grandmother? She had flitted in and out a few times to mention about dangers, but she always said she can't stay, can't stay, can't stay. She'd flit in and flit out. But she was in the place of healing for a very, very long time, was my understanding. She had a very, very hard life. And there's not like a time limit. Okay well you've been there for however long, maybe a millennium you know?  

 

Ann: So, you are saying after a physical life, a soul might go to this beautiful place. 

 

Heather: Yes. 

 

Ann: Just to recover themselves from the experience of being incarnated into a difficult life here. 

 

Heather: Yes. 

 

Ann: And they can stay as long as they like.  

 

Heather: Absolutely. They stay for as long as they need. The understanding for many would be you shed all this when you go through the transition, but a soul actually does not necessarily do that, which is why we can have, when we do past life soul regression, we actually can connect with things that the soul has gone through. 

It has the information, but perhaps does not always have the level of psychological, physical, emotional, crippling. This is why one goes into the place of healing for whatever duration of time is up to them. But it's not, everything is not like obviously completely shed, do you know what I mean? Um, because I remember when I came back and I was talking to my mom about it and I said, do you know that it's, there's so much information like beyond our auric field that we can pull from our soul essence memory and pull that information towards us to remember a specific lifetime. But it doesn't mean that the soul is crippled from it, but it does have the wisdom from it, which my mom thought I was totally crazy might you? Yeah. But, um, so that's that's kind of how my understanding of that's how that works.  

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: Once I had an understanding of the place of healing, the two places, I mean, some souls, you know, they, they just go into the pool of healing and that's the end of it. 

And they're, they're good to go. Others have had horrific times and then well, and then it was the Akashic records. Uh, and then after that it was the place of learning and then it was the auditorium. There's a lot of times we can come in from our life and we will share that with our soul group who have been on the other side. They didn't incarnate this lifetime, and we can share it with them on what we experienced. So there's that. I eventually was shown some ways of travel. We can call it travel. This is where I didn't know what to call it, so I called it wormholes. And so even when I was going to the Crystal City, which I didn't know I was going there, by the way I had traveled through this wormhole that was so incredibly fast, faster than the speed of light and sound and everything. I, I actually didn't know if I could survive it. It was a bumpy ride for me and it was the colours flashing through this plasma kind of tube thing, with all the colours, until I got over there and I was at the, so the crystal cities over here, I was more or less over here. I was not within the crystal city. I would love to have been there inside it. I could see it from a distance. Somebody had greeted me there that I remember them walking towards me and it was a woman. And just to look at the beautiful shimmering crystal, the frequency, the energy, the colors, all of it was just, ugh. 

 

It's hard to find words for it. Beyond amazing, beyond beautiful, beyond magnificent, just absolutely in awe of it. It felt so wonderful and I was embraced by this person. And the whole place felt like home. And she felt like home and it was like a welcome. And it was, felt so good. It felt so good. And then I was told I couldn't stay, and I said, I know I can't stay, but I wish I was an artist because I would, I would like to be able to recreate that for people to see.  

  

Ann: Did, you just came into my mind here, Heather. Did you get any understanding about extraterrestrials or star beings on other planets that we think we can communicate with or people have seen themselves on this planet? 

 

Heather: Yeah, I did.  

 

Ann: You wanna share with us any, any insights? 

 

Heather: I'll share a little bit. I, I'm not, uh, I'm not wonderfully comfortable with it. I've had a lot of nasty people within my family. When I had talked about even a little bit of it, I almost lost my daughter over it. 'cause I had drawn all the pictures of everything and, um, it was going to be used in a court of law. 

 

Ann: I'm so sorry. 

 

Heather: That's okay. I don't have, I don't have my diaries. They got all taken. I, but when we're talking about our guides, they are not necessarily just looking like us. Some of them actually are very high vibrating beings. Now, depending upon the frequency we incarnate it with, we start off with, we incarnate with there are entities. Some of them I've seen are. Like blue entities, there are many different types of grays that I have seen, they're not all horrendous, that's not true. They're not all horrendous. Um, when I was presented with the cosmic board, I called it the cosmic board. They were very comfortable with me calling it the cosmic board. I really, I don't know if that's what they wanna be called, but that's what I called them um, when I was presented with them, they were beings, meaning ET's from all over the universe. 

 

And there were nine of them at a, almost like a board table, an oval board table. And so when I was brought there, there's a space in, in front of that table, almost sort of like a little podium, but not quite. And so I stood there. I didn't sit at this table. I was not to sit there. Did, there was no chair, no. And to talk with them. But some of them were brilliantly white beings. Some of them were just, like a ball of moving energy, which was interesting. The light beings, the eyes, the eyes, uh, definitely were there. Um, I guess a lot of people would say, oh, they were all ET's. They're actually all from different dimensions. They all come together. They're of a great support and we can obtain information if we are at a frequency level of understanding to receive it, because otherwise it will be lost upon us because we can't hold the information, so they're not gonna give it to us. 

 

One of the questions I did ask when I was there is if I could change my contract, if I can alter my main contract in this lifetime. And I was told no, there were certain aspects of contracts that I could maybe make some changes, but to remove them, no, absolutely not. Which I felt really sad about, you know, because I was hoping to be able to do that and not go through some of the things that I knew I was gonna come through when I reincarnated through this physical body. 

 

They were very loving. They were very kind, but they were also like the old wise ones. So full of incredible wisdom, from different planets.  

 

Ann: It sounds just extraordinary and yet not, 'cause I've experienced things like this in my dream state and my astral travel, but did you get a sense of the divine presence of all things? of God?  

 

Heather: I feel that I did when it was not just that felt like multidimensional levels of the white light, right? But when something more came and no, was there a face, no. Was there a body, no, it was pure light, but it's almost like even on a soul level, even on that level of me freaking out, it absolutely calmed me, and I 100% knew that I am in the presence of something far more. And it, it wasn't just because I could see some gold. It wasn't just that. It was, it's almost like the all, it's hard to find the language, the all, all aware, the all knowing, the, all of everything. It was very hard to find the language for it, to be honest with you. But it was just knowing that you're in the presence of something far bigger and more than you could ever imagine. 

 

Ann: Amazing. 

 

Heather: Far more. Yeah. 

 

Ann: And you believe that every soul comes in with a contract or a purpose? 

 

Heather: Yeah.  

 

Ann: Sometimes I think, oh God, I'm having a hard day. What's the point of my life? Why am I here?  

 

Heather: Yeah. Well, you know, here's the thing. For a while I had wondered why did I have the near death experience to begin with? 

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: I had shut down so much of myself. I had hidden away my light so much from that as a child to then by the time I was 15, 16 to that of a young adult. I was so far away from more or less what I came to do. And it's not that I knew exactly what that was when I was younger. I didn't, I just knew that it was really important for me to yes, be of service. Yes, we're all to be of service and whatever that's going to be. It doesn't mean it has to be enormous. It doesn't mean, I mean, somebody being of service even, as a carer or you know, somebody who is of service and supporting their neighbors. I mean, my gosh, that's huge, you know, to be kind to one another is also of service. So, some people see it as, oh, it has to be something really big, but it's not. It's also to the remembering that we are more, we're more than our bodies. We're more than this. We have so much knowledge and to remember that we have abilities because we forget and we can all call in energy. We can all connect with our body, we can all actually work with energy. We just forgot how to do it. Part of us being here is also for that remembering. We're energetic beings. Once the soul leaves here, the soul is energy. The soul is what makes the body operate all that energetic component. Once the soul's out, the body can't function because it's like a, it's like a big battery, I guess we can call it, you know, it's like a big battery. And when we're looking at our soul purpose, and like I have said to even other people, what makes you feel good? Really, what makes you feel good? For a long time I've done a lot of different things in life. What made me feel good, was living my promise. I really made a promise to come back here because otherwise I wasn't coming back. You know, I made a promise to heal and I made a promise to share. There was a period of time that my sharing, of course, is my service. I'm of service. And however that was going to be presented, I was never told, well, first you do this, Heather, and then you do that and no, I had to figure it out on my own. The only thing I really knew, because I was told, I was gonna have to heal myself. I was gonna have to take all that information they gave me, utilise it, and do my own healing, which was bloody hard to be honest with you, really, honestly. And then share that information, you can't share what you haven't walked. There was a period of time that I was really worried that my healing was taking too long and I was afraid that I wasn't living my promise. And by not living my promise, they would be taking me right back and I'd leave this planet. I actually thought that, I thought it was taking too long and I wasn't doing the work soon enough and fast enough, and that that was my very physical mind, creating that anxiety for myself. 

But it was something I really believed that if I didn't do the work I needed to do, I wouldn't be here much longer. That I was taking too long, you know, to heal, which turned out not to be true, but it's something that I thought shortly after my NDE.  

 

Ann: Heather, if there's one essential truth that you've learned on the other side that you'd like humanity to understand, what would that be? 

 

Heather: The absolute truth in my understanding when I was on the other side is truly, we are brothers and sisters. We are family. We are an earth family here. And in order to create change and how things are and have been going on this planet, it really is up to us to work together as a family. I don't care where you are in the world, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, we really are all connected. There is human beings, that's it. Doesn't matter what the belief structures are, it doesn't matter where you're born in the world, it doesn't matter what your culture is, it doesn't matter what your skin tone is. We are all brothers and sisters, all of us, and we affect one another in either wonderful ways or in ways that create harm. And we really need to understand, we're far more powerful than we give ourselves credit, and we are far more powerful united together to create change.  

 

Ann: Beautiful. And to finish your story, you were there, we're going back to your physical self then to finish off our lovely interview. You passed out, you died, you had all these experiences, and then what had happened to you? Had you had all these embolisms at that time? What had happened and then how did you get back to your body and get back to being Heather May?  

 

Heather: Yes. I was going to complete the transition. I had asked not to. I think one of my moments of grief on this level was that I didn't get to do anything. It was too short. I wanted to come back. And it was kind of like a negotiation almost. And that, I promise, I promise, I promise I will share everything. I will share the work I have to for myself. I will share the NDE experience. I will help, I'll be a helper, I'll be of service this way. And I was told that, are you sure? Because you see, my original contract was not that, that I was gonna come back to a really physically damaged body. And so I was reminded, okay, now you need to understand before you make this decision, you're going to come back. You will be in tremendous pain. You are going to have tremendous pain for a long time. You'll have so much healing to do and not all things will heal. There's going to be a lot of trauma. Yep. Okay. I still wanna go back. I still, I do, I understand that. And I do. I'll, you know, think I'll take everything I learned here and I will go back and I'll really, truly believed I could do it and just didn't know how long it was gonna take. So, I came back and it was almost kind of like being slammed into that physical body. I was at a hospital, with tubes and oxygen and doctors and pain, lots of pain. My sternum was broken from chest compression and everything, and just there was so much going on to being a, a long hospital stay. I was released in the afternoon on my 31st day. 

 

Ann: Oof. 

 

Heather: I had a lot of specialists, haemoglobin specialists, a heart specialist, internist, neurologists. there was another time I was by myself obviously with doctors all around my bed and this is when I woke up. I was more conscious, aware, I guess would be the term. And I looked at everybody and this pulmonary specialist, that they flew in from Seattle to Vancouver, he had looked at me and he said, oh my gosh, look, she's awake. And I kind of smiled and he said, look, after all that, she smiles. 

 

But my thing was, hmm, yes, but I have a secret. That's what I was smiling about. His whole thing and all the doctors around were in disbelief that, do you even recognise you're a miracle to have managed to survive the unsurvivable of nine massive. Okay, so a loony, so we're talking this size. Okay, so I hope that transitions.  

 

Ann: For UK listeners, that's about the size of 50 pence piece.  

 

Heather: Yep. Of nine blood clots like that moving through the heart into the lungs. The last one was slightly larger than that, which is what stopped my heart. But otherwise, I was having nine massive heart attacks through the series of a couple of days. And, uh, they, they told me, they said one tiny, tiny, small, maybe the size of, the pen top, will kill somebody. And we cannot believe you're a miracle. We really hope you understand that. I didn't. I honestly didn't at the time. I just thought I have a secret, and oh my gosh, it's something tremendous, and, uh, I just felt I couldn't share it with any of them. Eventually, my neurologist, who actually just retired, was the one I told, and I'm glad because he believed me. He was my brain specialist. I did have brain damage. I did have heart damage. I did have tremendous lung damage. I did have damage in my legs, lots of damage they had discovered through the vascular system. A lot of my valves were terribly damaged. At one point in time. They said I'd have to have them amputated. I did not want that as part of my experience. I was to have a pacemaker. The electric impulses from the heart to the brain, the brain to the heart were so tremendously buggered up that sometimes it seemed like my heart didn't know what it was supposed to be doing. 

 

So, sometimes it would be nicely, and then other times it would just stop and then it would catch up, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, and it would be horrendous pounding, uh, in my chest that would make me go. And of course anybody around me, it would freak them out, you know, and it was scary. IMy heart specialist kept telling me I needed to have the pacemaker. I wanted my body to have time. I did not want to go under the knife right away. I wanted my body to have time. Okay. It took almost a couple of years to get the heart rhythm. I wore heart monitors. I was on blood thinners for a very, very long time. What do I mean by a very long time? We're talking about 25 years on blood thinners, goodness. And my lungs, they said I'd be on oxygen forever. And I actually started doing breath techniques and lung exercises, uh, not long after I was released from the hospital. I do it to this day, every day.  

 

Ann: How long ago was this experience for you? 

 

Heather: 27 years.  

 

Ann: See, it's long ago, isn't it? And yet the experiences that you've had are so fresh in your mind and so strongly there still, they haven't faded, seemingly.  

 

Heather: No, it's impossible. It's absolutely impossible. There was so much. Is so vivid and unforgettable, you know? Have you ever had an experience in life that was truly unforgettable, that was so amazing for people that they remember every aspect of it. They remember the smell of the environment, they remember the presence of the people. They remember like the ambiance of the group even. what they experienced is very memorable. It's the same thing as people who have had extraordinarily traumatic experiences where they remember every single aspect of it. It's permanently there and it's just permanently there, there's no way I could forget it. Dreams, we forget. Sure. Dreams are on a completely different level, whereas something like this is more realistic than where we're living. I know it sounds crazy too. But it's really, truly more. And we feel more, we experience more. Everything is more in depth. Even like the energies are alive, energy's alive, energy's moving. Energy has so much depth to it. Frequencies are just incredible. Every sensation is of, nevermind an imprint, but it's a reremembering at the same time. Like it's impossible to forget it. Even as I had touched the marble column, I can still feel what that felt like. It's incredible, and the light. And that higher, you just know you're in the presence of something more. 

  

Ann: And you've gone on to use this experience now in your work that you are doing because you've made this promise to those on the other side that you will Well, what was your promise?  

 

Heather: My promise was first and foremost, I will take all the information I was given about energy and how the human body functions, how energy functions on this plane even. And I will work with that to work with myself, first. So that meant physically, psychologically, emotionally, it was every angle you could possibly imagine. It did take time and to then share that with people, to remind people that we all have the ability to work with energy. We all have the ability to connect within our own energetic systems. We do, we all have the ability, if we so choose, not everybody has to choose, to work with specific frequencies to, shift energetic experiences that have left signatures there or memories there. To have the experience is one thing, but to file it in the physical body is another, because this is where stagnation can happen. This is where congested energy can happen and then things aren't flowing as well as they could be. I would, don't say should be because some people don't want to and that's fine and everybody's on a different journey, so that's what I share with people. Absolutely. I've shared with people, um, who have had family members who died and they felt a lot of trauma from that. 

 

I will talk with them about that as well. People I share with, exactly, how to bring in sacred and holy light and how to bring that into them and for why do you wanna do that? You know, what's the point of it, right. So I'll share, I'll share why and the how's. And there, yeah, there it could be anything. 

 

How to regulate your nervous system. If you have a very deregulated nervous system, you've had a lifetime of fight, flight or fawn you know how to regulate the nervous system and, perhaps they need to if they choose, to look into those belief structures and how their reflex response is going to be, or not, you can change it, you know? 

 

Ann: You do this in one-to-one sessions, Heather? Um, you do one-to-one readings for people, is that correct?  

 

Heather: Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, I do one-to-one, uh, sessions with people. So, people work with me one time, just one time. Unless they join for mentorship, that's a totally different thing. 

 

But if you're working with me, it's one time. Um, I do design imagery. I channel the frequency that's best for you to meet you where you are right now. Maybe just slightly higher. If it's too high, the physical body cannot retain it, hold it, utilise it very well. If it's too low, it's the same thing. It's pointless. 

 

So, I always channel to see what's best for somebody. I create images. It helps with visualisation skills. These are the images, this is the frequency you're working with. This is how it's gonna come into your body. This is what you're working with. And it's one-to-one. You receive the recording, you download the recording, and then you have homework. 

Hopefully you do it. I can't make anybody do it, of course, but hopefully you do. And if you choose to come back, you choose to come back. I don't make anybody say, you must come back.  

 

Ann: Yeah.  

 

Heather: Then there are other people. I do workshops, I do classes, introduction on how to first work with energy, how to feel it, basically how to sense it, knowing that you can change and in invite different frequencies in. I also have done oh gosh, since the nineties, late nineties, I should say early two thousands of how to meet your guide. How to meet your guide, you know how to call that. That's a bigger workshop. It's about four and a half hours, sometimes five. They're all small groups of people prefer to work with smaller groups, not big, how to meet a loved one who has passed over. Like, there's just a lot of different things that I do. Everything's not on the website, simply because it can get confusing if there's too many things. I usually recommend, a consult. I had to switch from individual call consults to group consults. Because honestly I was having a two year wait list. And it was too far out. And so I had started this year to create group consults of 30 people no more.  

 

Ann: And so if people want to find out about you, Heather, what is your website?  

 

Heather: My website is my name, www.heathermae.ca is the website  

 

Ann: and May is spelled M-A-E www.heathermae.ca.  

 

Heather: Yes, CA I'm in Northern, uh, Canada, close to the border of the Northwest  

Territories. Uh, I live very remotely, which was a choice of mine and or they can email me. I also have a chat on there, so even if people have a question, like I will get, get to you, there's wait lists. I'm sorry, but everything got booked up by the end of February which seems to be the way, and then it's, it's wait lists. So, if there's something that you would like to take, join the wait list from there. Um, if you have something that is extremely personal that you would like to speak to me about I would recommend that's when I do the one-to-ones. I do not expect people to be in a group, uh, trying to express something that's very personal. 

 

Ann: Too personal, yes. 

 

Heather: Right, yeah, I don't do that. You know, just let me know that it is. And we will create a, you know, a time for you to meet with me. Um, also for people who do holistic, the holistic service, it does require to have a consult with me to see are we a good fit. Are we a good fit? What, what is it that you're experiencing or that you want to work with me with? Um, because I, I have no problem to say, oh, you know what? That I can't actually help with this, however, I know somebody and so I will do a referral. So it's not that I know everything because I don't, and so if I don't, I will speak up and I will let people know. 

  

Ann: Well, you are doing the most amazing work here, Heather, and you've given us so much of your time today, and I'm really, really grateful for that because I know that the people listening and watching this on YouTube are gonna get so much out of it. So, Heather, thank you very, very much indeed for sharing everything with us, all of that knowledge, I know it's going to go to great use into the minds of those that listen to it. Certainly it's been food for thought for me, and another reminder that we must keep reaching out with our soul. We must keep reconnecting, always being kind of course to everybody here. But to be in service is the greatest gift, I think. 

 

Heather: Yes, absolutely. I'm in full agreement with that. It's one of the things we're here to do, and I wanted to say thank you. Thank you so much, Ann, you've provided this beautiful, wonderful platform and, um, filled with so much grace and I have so much gratitude. So thank you so much for allowing this space and for me to share this. And um, like I said, even if it helps, there's just one person that's wonderful, um, if it's helped many even, wonderful. Fantastic. Thank you very much and thank you very much for anybody who takes the time to listen to the whole experience.  

 

Ann: Heather Mae, thank you so very much.  

 

Heather: Thank you. 

 

Ann: What an extraordinary conversation. Heather Mae's journey beyond this world offers us not only a glimpse of what lies on the other side, but I think a much deeper understanding of what it means to live fully in this particular lifetime. And her message is very, very clear. We are energetic beings, deeply connected and capable of far more than we've been led to believe. 

 

If Heather's story has stirred something inside of you, if it sparked questions, maybe a sense of recognition or perhaps a desire to explore your own intuitive power, please know you are not alone. And that awakening is part of the work she came back to help us to do. And you'll find all of Heather's links and offerings in the show notes as well as below this video on YouTube. 

 

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Until next time, take care, stay connected, and keep listening to the whispers of your soul. My name is Ann Théato and thank you for listening to Psychic Matters. 

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